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Friday, September 26th, 2003 12:59 am
First off, a hearty L'Shana Tovah, happy new year, to all my Jewish friends out there.

Inspired by userinfoMasqthephlsphr, I'd been thinking more and more about themes of power in BtVS S7, in terms of Realist political theory. Because one could certainly analyze S7 along those lines - the group's behavior and Buffy's leadership style is like unto a D-grade reading on Hobbes' The Leviathan.

However, I've recently returned to thinking of a different parallel for Buffy Summers. Namely, the career of one Michael Jeffrey Jordan, basketball star extroardinaire. If you don't follow basketball, or don't know much about MJ, I suspect it would take too long for me to explain, and maybe I'll go more in depth with it later, but it's eerily accurate. So, if there's a sports fan reading my LJ, please feel free to comment and I'll actually draw something more up.

Also, watched the NBC broadcast of the "American" version of "Coupling". Had I never seen the BBC episodes, it might have been okay for me. Not that it was particularly great or anything. But this version is just...poor. It's like seeing a Junior High production of my favorite play. First of all, NBC's basically done a shot-for-shot remake. And the acting seems too focused on hitting all the same marks as the original - instead of developing an interpretation of their own. (Although I really do like Rena Sofer as Susan.) As a result it seems like the characters are reading lines of dialogue instead of engaging in conversation. The cast doesn't seem to have the same chemistry, the "Sally" has no personality, and this "Jeff" has nothing on Richard Coyle.

Good thing I have the original episodes on my Hard Drive.
Friday, September 26th, 2003 09:50 (UTC)
Inspired by Masqthephlsphr, I'd been thinking more and more about themes of power in BtVS S7, in terms of realist political theory.

Mwah hah hah! My nefariously evil scheme to take over popular culture with philosophical analysis is working!!


But please. It's "Realist" with a capital R, not a small r. Because while Realists fancy themselves realists just like Objectivists fancy themselves objective, giving something a name doesn't necessarily embue that thing with the qualities of that name....
Friday, September 26th, 2003 11:30 (UTC)
Yeah. Last thing I saw her in was the highly amusing "Keeping the Faith" with Edward Norton and Ben Stiller.

And sorry. Should go with the big R in Realist. BTW, did you ever recieve that semi-coherent ramble on that topic that I sent to the e-mail in your profile?

My nefariously evil scheme to take over popular culture with philosophical analysis is working!

A small part of me occaisionally thinks about how humorous, but fascinating, a panel review of S6-7 consisting of Henry Kissinger, Joe Nye, and Kenneth Waltz could be. Oh, and coach Phil Jackson.
Friday, September 26th, 2003 11:34 (UTC)
A small part of me occaisionally thinks about how humorous, but fascinating, a panel review of S6-7 consisting of Henry Kissinger, Joe Nye, and Kenneth Waltz could be. Oh, and coach Phil Jackson.

Oh, to crawl around for a day in your brain....

BTW, did you ever recieve that semi-coherent ramble on that topic that I sent to the e-mail in your profile?

Yep, I got it. Still sorting it out....
Friday, September 26th, 2003 21:28 (UTC)
Oh, to crawl around for a day in your brain....

Well there's plenty of empty space... Still another small part of me would like to lock Marti Noxon in a little room with Catherine MacKinnon and watch the fallout, but that would be evil and mean...

And, just checking on that e-mail. In retrospect, I suspect it's pretty messy and poorly written. I suspect if I were still writing papers on the topic, and had my old notes in front of me, I could come up with something a bit better. I would have loved to have gotten some of my old Profs. input...
Saturday, September 27th, 2003 09:02 (UTC)
nother small part of me would like to lock Marti Noxon in a little room with Catherine MacKinnon

Ouch.
Wednesday, October 1st, 2003 17:01 (UTC)
Thanks for posting your thoughts on the board. I hope you get some good replies. And thanks for coming by and joining us on the ATPo board. I see you went toe to toe with the infamous "Claudia". She is infamous, of course, for the largest numbers of fallacies per post. Her particular specialty is the Straw Man argument, attributing something to another poster they didn't say, then trying to knock that argument down. She also likes to attribute psychological motivations to those who disagree with her that somehow will show her view is the more logical of the two.

But there are many more fine posters on the board who will engage you in a relaxing, fun, and intelligent manner. So stick around!
Wednesday, October 1st, 2003 17:36 (UTC)
I guess you missed my old rant on argumentation (http://www.livejournal.com/users/dlgood/2790.html#cutid1) from back in early August. I've got no problems with getting into a good debate. And I'm not too bugged about dealing with people who rely on rhetorical fallacy. I took the pre-Law writing and did the fun grad school policy debates. Won't scare me off or spoil my fun.

It's a cool board. Hoping some gov't majors will stop by, because I don't have the energy to build up anything as big as ATP. But somebody who cares could do more with what I dropped...
Wednesday, October 1st, 2003 17:57 (UTC)
Maybe Cleanthes, or d'Herblay or Rahael. In fact, you might want to post to the [livejournal.com profile] atpobtvsats board, where ATPo and LJ intersect. But most of the people there also get to the www.voy.com board as well.
Thursday, October 2nd, 2003 04:03 (UTC)
I am in total awe of every one of your recent posts at AtPO. Clarity, courage and devastating arguments!!!!

I warn you that you probably have acquired an instant fanbase, but they aren't going to be very vocal.

(I admit it, I'm being a coward.)

But I'm glad you have an LJ so that I can a) friend you, and b) drop by to say that your dissection of Joss' comments on the AR and on Buffy and Spike was masterly. I've never seen it so beautifully articulated before.
Thursday, October 2nd, 2003 07:57 (UTC)
I am in total awe of every one of your recent posts at AtPO. Clarity, courage and devastating arguments!!!!

Well. Wow. That's really nice to hear. I'm really flattered.
Tuesday, October 7th, 2003 10:58 (UTC)
I've been reading your latest replies to Claudia on the board, dl. Countering statements made with little or no backing (or fallacious backing) with the clarity of argument. You go get'm.
Tuesday, October 7th, 2003 11:22 (UTC)
What makes it even more fun, is my own feeling that my arguments toward Claudia could actually be much better.

I think I'm pretty much right on the "Buffy is obviously in love with Spike" issue, but I can construct counterarguments far more convincing than hers.

Granted, I think Claudia and I are both far more passionate about Buffy's "obvious" love for Spike than Buffy herself was. Heh.

Sometimes, I think I got into this fandom specifically because I miss the intellectual debates I had in college.
Tuesday, October 7th, 2003 11:47 (UTC)
Sometimes, I think I got into this fandom specifically because I miss the intellectual debates I had in college.

Well then, dig in and have fun. Being in intellectual debates gives me the hives, which is why I run a philosophical discussion board rather than teach philosophy. I'm much better at being a spectator.

I agree with your assessment of Buffy's alleged "feelings" towards Spike. I never saw it. I saw lust, I saw shame, I saw the acting out of inner hatreds, I never saw love.
Tuesday, October 7th, 2003 12:24 (UTC)
I'm much better at being a spectator.

Which, so far as I can tell, you do fairly well. It's an important role. Kids like me can't play in the sandbox without you...

I agree with your assessment of Buffy's alleged "feelings" towards Spike.

Yup. But in S6, for various reasons Spike was incapable of understanding that Buffy did not love him, especially since he believed that he loved her so much and she was having relations with him. Soullessness, obstinancy, narcisissm. Take your pick.

And many of those fans who love Spike so much, can't seem to understand how Buffy might not love him either. Like Spike in S6, they want to believe so badly that it's simply inconceivable that she might not. And many of those fans seem to be rather angry at the character of Buffy about it too. It's kind of fascinating, in an unnerving way.
Tuesday, October 7th, 2003 12:39 (UTC)
Which, so far as I can tell, you do fairly well. It's an important role. Kids like me can't play in the sandbox without you...

Thanks. It's like, "those who can, do, and those who can't do the janitorial work for those who can do." I believe very passionately in reasoned discussion about the complex issues of the day, but in graduate school, I would have anxiety attacks in the middle of debates and choke. A brilliant career in philosophy cut down because of a debilitating handicap. I still love doing philosophy, thinking about it, presenting both sides, but I leave the debating to other people.

It's a workable arrangment.

And many of those fans who love Spike so much, can't seem to understand how Buffy might not love him either. Like Spike in S6, they want to believe so badly that it's simply inconceivable that she might not. And many of those fans seem to be rather angry at the character of Buffy about it too. It's kind of fascinating, in an unnerving way.

Oh, the Buffy bashing was rampant during season 6. She was the queen of all bitches, especially when she spent most of her time beating him and calling him bad names. Sublimated love? In whose twisted mind was that sublimated love? Don't answer that, i think we both know.

And Spike didn't help, "You only hurt the one you love, pet."
Tuesday, October 7th, 2003 12:49 (UTC)
As you know M, a critical analysis of the characters sublimate motivations is valid, but only when it supports your thesis that Spike is the most wonderful woobie that ever was.
Tuesday, October 7th, 2003 13:04 (UTC)
Arghhhhh!!!!!

These Spike arguments are based on emotional assessments on both sides. The text is ambiguous enough that both sides (Buffy lurvs Spike/Buffy doesn't lurv Spike) make their assessment by viewing the show through a lens of their own experience (my lens is, "I'm bored of Spike, can we move on now?). I actually think arguing about it gets pointless, because although reasoned debate on this issue is possible, most people won't be capable of it. The evidence both sides could use to weigh the choices is tainted by the lens of their viewing experience.

And most of us have moved on, both Spike fans and non-Spike fans. But there are some fans for which this is their raison detre, and they won't let go of the chew-bone. I admire your continued insistence on asking Claudia to back up her statements, but I'm telling you, she ain't gonna, because to her the evidence is clear on face value.
Tuesday, October 7th, 2003 13:28 (UTC)
Yeah. You're right on that. As long as the Claudia's of the world won't accept the ambivalence, I am wasting time.

It reminds me quite a bit of Florida 2000. It's the "Megadittoes, Rush!" type deal that turns so many folks off from politics. But, as someone who used to do this in College, before I sold out and took a paying job, it's still quite a bit of fun. It didn't always endear me to the College Republicans or Democrats, but it did make me really good at canvassing neighborhoods during the primaries when I worked election campaigns.

The more I get the sense that people read the "Claudia's" with a critical eye, the less and less I'll feel the need to react.
Friday, October 3rd, 2003 21:14 (UTC)
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