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dlgood ([personal profile] dlgood) wrote2005-03-10 03:14 pm

ACC Tourney Game 1 - Bill James quote

Clemson 84
Maryland 72

Who saw that coming? Oh yeah. I did. Damn. Well, time to get revved up for, no doubt, a disappointing road loss to a Mid-Major in the NIT. Probably some team like Virginia Commonwealth... They should have a "resigned" mood.

So, I shall depart from that again and go drop a quote:

We ran astray because we have been assuming that random data is proof of nothingness, when in reality random data proves nothing.

Random data proves nothing -- and it cannot be used as proof of nothingness. Why? Because whenever you do a study, if your study completely fails, you will get random data. Therefore, when you get random data, all you may conclude is that your study has failed.
---Bill James

James is probably best known as famous as the author of The Baseball Abstract, and leading exponent of Sabrmetrics. That is, the discipline of using statistics to analyze baseball.

But really, his comments are exportable to all manner of analysis and not merely statistical. When we watch a show, and look at scenes to draw conclusions - or make projections about future events, we're doing analysis. (Or, on occasion we are essentially engaging in religion and taking leaps of faith...)

In this particular case, James was discussing the old argument that there is no such thing as a "clutch" hitter - a key point where most statitical types deviate from the traditionalist perspective. The problem, always, is that it's near impossible to define "clutch" and to determine what actually is "clutch" and what isn't. The last at bat of the World Series, with a man on base and your team down by one is obviously clutch. A sixth inning tie in late May? Hmm.

But the bigger point is this. Sometimes, when the data you get from the analysis seems to indicate "nothing" it means that your study/test/case scenario was improperly constructed. Or that you have failed to set up your study. Not that the result is "nothing". A lot of analyses go wrong from the very beginning out of poor design. And now I'm rambling because I'm tired and whatnot, but just go with it. I likes thinking scientific thoughts about the Bill James. It's just unfortunate that I can never do a decent data analysis about subjects other than Baseball. The Econometrics folks are laughing at me right now.

[identity profile] ludditerobot.livejournal.com 2005-03-10 08:44 pm (UTC)(link)
Bib Dylan? Hah!

Reminds me of a t-shirt I've seen. "Gid is my Co-pilot".

(I bet nobody on my friends list would get that without following the link.)

[identity profile] dlgood.livejournal.com 2005-03-10 08:50 pm (UTC)(link)
Do you remember the old commercial where some guy gets fired by the boss because he got a client an item with the name "Bib" on it. The boss presents him with the "Bob" tchotchke only to find out the the guy's name really is "Bib"...

[identity profile] ludditerobot.livejournal.com 2005-03-10 08:52 pm (UTC)(link)
Vaguely. I forget the company the ad was for, though....

[identity profile] sistakaren.livejournal.com 2005-03-10 10:54 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh yeah. I did. Damn. Well, time to get revved up for, no doubt, a disappointing road loss to a Mid-Major in the NIT. Probably some team like Virginia Commonwealth... They should have a "resigned" mood.
I'm sorry, Dave. Although I was hoping that Clemson would go through because I think we can beat them a lot more easily than we can beat Maryland -- I was surprised about how upset I was that Maryland lost. Poor Gilchrist. :(

[identity profile] dlgood.livejournal.com 2005-03-11 01:09 pm (UTC)(link)
Poor Gilchrist, my ass. If he'd brought consistent game all year, instead of reading his press clippings about the NBA, we wouldn't be in this position. Poor DJ Strawberry is what I say...

Sympathetic noises

[identity profile] scwlc.livejournal.com 2005-03-11 07:36 pm (UTC)(link)
I suppose I can be sympathetic even if I'm a) Canadian and therefore any of 'our' teams wouldn't be involved and b) I don't watch sports so I can't care really anyway. But I sympathise with the loss I suppose.

I don't keep track of baseball stats given my status as a non-sports-fan, but I have to ask, did you ever read Steven Jay Gould's essay on baseball stats? It was interesting even if I can't remember the collection it came from.

SCWLC

Re: Sympathetic noises

[identity profile] dlgood.livejournal.com 2005-03-11 07:44 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm not familiar with SJGould's essay, but from a statistical analysis perspective baseball makes for such a great methodological practice/testing ground.

If for no other reason, than that there's so much data of individual events and it's kept so meticulously.

Re: Sympathetic noises

[identity profile] scwlc.livejournal.com 2005-03-12 01:15 am (UTC)(link)
True, although the fact that there is the ability to calculate stats about the best pinch-hitters that wear numbers between 20 and 30 suggests that there may be too much data.

Re: Sympathetic noises

[identity profile] dlgood.livejournal.com 2005-03-12 01:24 am (UTC)(link)
No such thing as "too much stats" - just too much pointless analysis. I.e.: best pinch-hitters that wear numbers between 20 and 30